Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Begich III (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Nick Begich III

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Non-notable congressional candidate. All coverage is election-related or passing mentions. Doesn't meet NPOL and I don't see how he meets GNG either. This page was previously created and deleted back in 2023. I'd support a redirect to to 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska. The result of the previous discussion was a redirect to the page for the 2022 election; at this point, it makes more sense to redirect to the 2024 page since Begich is now in a one-on-one race with the incumbent, unlike in 2022 when there was another Republican in the race. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 16:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Politicians, Alaska, and Florida. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Agreed not notable unless he wins. Yedaman54 (talk) 20:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Yedaman54: do you think the article should be deleted or made into a redirect? BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 15:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. The last decision was made in part on the basis of COI edits, which have now been removed. Begich meets Wikipedia:GNG on several grounds:

1. Substantial media coverage of his 2022 campaign, similar to that of Jon Ossoff's campaign, which a 2017 deletion review and discussion found was notable despite his losing the race.
2. As the majority-preferred candidate of the 2022 Alaska special, which also makes this an article of interest for WikiProject Social choice, because it makes him useful as a prototypical example of the kind of majority-preferred candidate who loses such an election (see center squeeze).
3. Past work in Alaska politics (as a high-profile Republican from the Begich family).
4. Past career as a software entrepeneur.

– Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

That second reason doesn't make sense. You're arguing that the election is notable, not that Begich *himself* is notable. See WP:1E. Bkissin already pointed out the issue with the third reason, and the fourth...you're going to have to expand on that, because I don't see how being a "software entrepreneur" proves notability. As for the first reason, yes it's true that some unelected candidates get a WP page, but that doesn't mean *all* unelected candidates get a page. If Begich loses the 2024 race, will people still be searching his name in 10 years? BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I honestly don't feel right voting on it one way or the other, given that the reason I looked into him at all was the "expand this section" flag that was on the article. That said, the article was just undeleted (diff) on the 25th of September. Just... strikes me as odd to undelete it only to renom for deletion. I apologize if I missed this one needing to stay in drafts - I likely still would have looked up the info seeing the flag and all, but I would have also notified someone and asked about moving it back to drafts if that's where it should be.

OIM20 (talk) 03:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska. If he wins in November we can re-assess. Being part of the Begich family does not mean that notability is inherited. There are plenty of software entrepreneurs who are not notable, so I don't see that as a valid notability criteria. Bkissin (talk) 20:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska. Djflem (talk) 15:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment notifying users who voted in the last discussion: JML1148, TulsaPoliticsFan, A. B., SportingFlyer, Enos733, and Mpen320. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect for now. The usual outcome is outright deletion, in similar cases, and is arguably more so in this WP:NPOV nightmare of a page here. That being said, he has a 50/50 chance of being elected as a member of a new minority caucus. Bearian (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska. Nothing has changed since the previous AfD to justify recreation. I would also recomend that the redirect article then be locked from editing to avoid a backdoor recreation either as a puff piece for the Begich campaign or a smear page for the Peltola campaign.--Mpen320 (talk) 04:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to 2024 United States House of Representatives election in Alaska: Sources are mostly the normal routine coverages of an election. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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