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| Beautiful anime! Great end, because the life has one of more way to arrive to the destiny!!! Copernico to end! kekeke ;) |
Someone shared this to me. It's a stiched image of that constellation drawing scene. Majestic. |
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| So this wasn't really a alternate timeline. But this Rafel isn't "our" Rafael either. Good thing it did show that anything at full extreme even curiosity isn't right. That's probably the main purpose of Rafael and inspiring Albert. Only successful protagonist of the show. That priest is the other inquisitor whose friend help Jolenta. So 1468 is after Nowak's death. It's kinda confusing. I am also not sure if the "On the movements of the earth" was published or not. Draka died and with it the contents. Maybe there are other copies and some unknown dude offscreen did it. Even if it did probably mounted to nothing. That is my only gripe with this series making everything almost useless. The most crucial thing is "Give 10% to Potoswki". That's the only legacy the years of study left which made Albert question Geocentirsm and write a book on it and eventually be the teacher of Coparenicus. My initial reaction to the series was Rafel is modeled after Coparenicus. But he can be said teacher of Coparenicus's teacher. That's something ig but that version is not the ideal version but murderer. In all Rafael, Oczy, Badeni, Jolenta, Schmidt, Draka, Nowak as Antoni said no one will remember. Not the biggest fan but by the end this series is more than Heleocentirsm propaganda. More about human curiosity and hunt for knowledge. It also showed church on postive light more than one expects. Had higher expectations. Plenty of things irked me. It never replicated the heights of Rafael and even Badeni-Oczy arc. But last 2 episode probably saved it a lot not the best conclusion but works. 8.7/10 It was 6 months of epic ride of emotions and high intellectual work. Really gonna miss Orb Peak. |
WaterMageMar 15, 12:03 PM
Reply to WaterMage
So this wasn't really a alternate timeline. But this Rafel isn't "our" Rafael either.
Good thing it did show that anything at full extreme even curiosity isn't right. That's probably the main purpose of Rafael and inspiring Albert. Only successful protagonist of the show.
That priest is the other inquisitor whose friend help Jolenta. So 1468 is after Nowak's death. It's kinda confusing. I am also not sure if the "On the movements of the earth" was published or not. Draka died and with it the contents. Maybe there are other copies and some unknown dude offscreen did it. Even if it did probably mounted to nothing. That is my only gripe with this series making everything almost useless. The most crucial thing is "Give 10% to Potoswki". That's the only legacy the years of study left which made Albert question Geocentirsm and write a book on it and eventually be the teacher of Coparenicus.
My initial reaction to the series was Rafel is modeled after Coparenicus. But he can be said teacher of Coparenicus's teacher. That's something ig but that version is not the ideal version but murderer.
In all Rafael, Oczy, Badeni, Jolenta, Schmidt, Draka, Nowak as Antoni said no one will remember.
Not the biggest fan but by the end this series is more than Heleocentirsm propaganda. More about human curiosity and hunt for knowledge. It also showed church on postive light more than one expects.
Had higher expectations. Plenty of things irked me. It never replicated the heights of Rafael and even Badeni-Oczy arc.
But last 2 episode probably saved it a lot not the best conclusion but works.
8.7/10
It was 6 months of epic ride of emotions and high intellectual work. Really gonna miss Orb Peak.
Good thing it did show that anything at full extreme even curiosity isn't right. That's probably the main purpose of Rafael and inspiring Albert. Only successful protagonist of the show.
That priest is the other inquisitor whose friend help Jolenta. So 1468 is after Nowak's death. It's kinda confusing. I am also not sure if the "On the movements of the earth" was published or not. Draka died and with it the contents. Maybe there are other copies and some unknown dude offscreen did it. Even if it did probably mounted to nothing. That is my only gripe with this series making everything almost useless. The most crucial thing is "Give 10% to Potoswki". That's the only legacy the years of study left which made Albert question Geocentirsm and write a book on it and eventually be the teacher of Coparenicus.
My initial reaction to the series was Rafel is modeled after Coparenicus. But he can be said teacher of Coparenicus's teacher. That's something ig but that version is not the ideal version but murderer.
In all Rafael, Oczy, Badeni, Jolenta, Schmidt, Draka, Nowak as Antoni said no one will remember.
Not the biggest fan but by the end this series is more than Heleocentirsm propaganda. More about human curiosity and hunt for knowledge. It also showed church on postive light more than one expects.
Had higher expectations. Plenty of things irked me. It never replicated the heights of Rafael and even Badeni-Oczy arc.
But last 2 episode probably saved it a lot not the best conclusion but works.
8.7/10
It was 6 months of epic ride of emotions and high intellectual work. Really gonna miss Orb Peak.
| @WaterMage I very much agree with you. These two Rafal are not the same. They have the same name, similar appearance if he was older, and VA. I think this is the authors way to show had young Rafal led to the extreme, what he would have become. This whole thing exists in the same universe. However, the stuff with Albert is the recorded history whereas everything before is speculated history of characters that would lead to Alberts path. As someone on Reddit mention, " the author compels us to reflect, to doubt and to question everything we thought we understood about the story. And perhaps, in doing so, we too might feel that 「？」, that shudder of wonder, the moment of thaumazein." This whole story is historical fiction with these characters existing in the story but never leaving behind a name or documented account of themselves, existing through connections that were made or items left behind which help lead Albert down his path. |
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| What an amazing journey it has been to watch Orb weekly! The reveal at the end was mind-blowing. I'm gonna miss such a beautiful homage to human knowledge that this anime has been |
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Reply to MarusaruMaia
One of, if not the most incredible and subtle detail in the opening. Has anyone ever noticed this height difference between the two scenes? lol That being said, should Rafal-sensei be considered a separate character from our lil guy? Man, Orb is fucking awesome. Easily one of the best mangas I've ever read and the anime did an amazing job. AOTY
MarusaruMaia said: Has anyone ever noticed this height difference between the two scenes? I actually always wondered that, I think I even mentioned it in episode 3, when he died, because I was sure we were getting a time skip due to this. The fact that the opening gave us this spoiler so early on is crazy. For me, it's still one of the best details of the opening. Narizor said: I enjoyed this true masterpiece. It taught us that a story doesn’t need a perpetual protagonist because, historically, what drives society forward is what people accomplish with the knowledge born from their curiosity, ingenuity, conviction, and even fear. This is then passed down from generation to generation, allowing us to become who we are today—individuals who, collectively, have changed the world without ever meeting each other directly and will continue to do so. I completely agree with this. This anime really makes you understand how big the society is, and how important it is to work together to achieve higher goals, since we only came so far not because a single person, but due to the work of a group of people, throughout generations! adrianwhy said: Was Draka the one that managed to get the book printed? The book was actually never released, since Draka was the only one that knew its contents, and since she died, the contents of the book also vanished. However, the title of the book prevailed, as we can see that Albert heard that title, and it seems that was enough to inspire him to doubt about that title, leading up to his disciple, Nicolaus Copernicus, coming up with the heliocentrism theory. In the end, this was what Jolenta wanted with the release of the book. phantomfandom said: I love when artistic freedom is used to fill a hole in the history like this. This final twist was so risky for the writer, but I really feel like it was worth it, because it makes this whole story so much better, and gives a proper end to the heliocentrism theory, that, althought we never actually saw it getting release, we know that it happened, and it's interesting to think something like this could be the truth behind Heliocentrism! |
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@WaterMage
I very much agree with you. These two Rafal are not the same. They have the same name, similar appearance if he was older, and VA. I think this is the authors way to show had young Rafal led to the extreme, what he would have become.
This whole thing exists in the same universe. However, the stuff with Albert is the recorded history whereas everything before is speculated history of characters that would lead to Alberts path.
As someone on Reddit mention, " the author compels us to reflect, to doubt and to question everything we thought we understood about the story. And perhaps, in doing so, we too might feel that 「？」, that shudder of wonder, the moment of thaumazein."
This whole story is historical fiction with these characters existing in the story but never leaving behind a name or documented account of themselves, existing through connections that were made or items left behind which help lead Albert down his path.
I very much agree with you. These two Rafal are not the same. They have the same name, similar appearance if he was older, and VA. I think this is the authors way to show had young Rafal led to the extreme, what he would have become.
This whole thing exists in the same universe. However, the stuff with Albert is the recorded history whereas everything before is speculated history of characters that would lead to Alberts path.
As someone on Reddit mention, " the author compels us to reflect, to doubt and to question everything we thought we understood about the story. And perhaps, in doing so, we too might feel that 「？」, that shudder of wonder, the moment of thaumazein."
This whole story is historical fiction with these characters existing in the story but never leaving behind a name or documented account of themselves, existing through connections that were made or items left behind which help lead Albert down his path.
| @FireRifle64 yes it questions it self was this a fantasy based on historical events or pure made up fantasy with no connection or historical with liberties. The only two connection are Albert & 10% Potoswki. Later of those makes me think the events did indeed happened but with very little success. |
Reply to Nefregar
They really should've hired some kind of historical consultant for these last episodes because some of the laughable mistakes are in plain sight.
So this is supposed to be Cracow Academy in 1468, and here we have:
- a coat of arms of Subcarpathian voivodeship, first introduced in the year 2000,
- a Lithuanian coat of arms (we could let it slide since Poland and Lithuania had a personal union at the time),
- a modern design of Polish coat of arms, which was introduced in 1927,
- something that I think was supposed to be a coat of arms of old Sandomierz voivodeship, except the correct one has stars instead of fleurs-de-lis,
- a coat of arms of the city of Krosno for some reason
So this is supposed to be Cracow Academy in 1468, and here we have:
- a coat of arms of Subcarpathian voivodeship, first introduced in the year 2000,
- a Lithuanian coat of arms (we could let it slide since Poland and Lithuania had a personal union at the time),
- a modern design of Polish coat of arms, which was introduced in 1927,
- something that I think was supposed to be a coat of arms of old Sandomierz voivodeship, except the correct one has stars instead of fleurs-de-lis,
- a coat of arms of the city of Krosno for some reason
| @Nefregar Not to mention that in letter to Potocki there's Juliusz Leo's street in Kraków as adress. Guy who lived like 400 years after the shown events already had his street :D |
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Reply to MarusaruMaia
One of, if not the most incredible and subtle detail in the opening. Has anyone ever noticed this height difference between the two scenes? lol That being said, should Rafal-sensei be considered a separate character from our lil guy? Man, Orb is fucking awesome. Easily one of the best mangas I've ever read and the anime did an amazing job. AOTY
| @MarusaruMaia I thought that was him as an adult if he apologized to the church and studied medicine instead. |
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Someone shared this to me. It's a stiched image of that constellation drawing scene. Majestic.
| @Ryuseishun Thank you so much for the picture! This shot is so beatiful, so this longer picture was needed! |
| AOTY and one of the best anime of the past decade. There, I said it. |
| I liked these last two episodes, but I’d rather see them as an epilogue and consider episode 23 as the true finale. |
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Reply to Baranka02
One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure
| @Baranka02 I think the last two episodes are set in an alternate universe it showcase a timeline where Rafal and others wasn't executed for their research. Or, The new guy is just a imposter. He isn't the Rafal we knew. |
| What a ride this show was! AOTY, so far. |
Reply to GersonSalas
was this alternate timelime like an "if" Rafal hadn't been killed and continued forward? because all characters have had a darkside and Rafal did not grow enough to show it (originally).
it seems (to me) that the original timelinebis the Orb story and the alternate timeline is the one that "connects" with our real world history. In the end, the original timelime we watched was the alternate timeline all along.
it seems (to me) that the original timelinebis the Orb story and the alternate timeline is the one that "connects" with our real world history. In the end, the original timelime we watched was the alternate timeline all along.
GersonSalas said: Yes, You are right. Alternate timeline showcase real life historical figures as well.it seems (to me) that the original timelinebis the Orb story and the alternate timeline is the one that "connects" with our real world history. In the end, the original timelime we watched was the alternate timeline all along. |
Reply to Baranka02
One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure
Baranka02 said: One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure I belive that the Teacher "Rafal" isn't really Rafal, but the author decided to portray this teacher as Rafal for a lot of reasons. One of them I think it was just for people to care about this teacher and understand him more easily, especially after he kills Albert's father. I think it also gives us a glimpse of what Rafal would be like if he decided to give up on heliocentrism. It's also a way to show how having so much faith in your own curiosity could be dangerous, as we can see this teacher ends killing another person for it, which is not much different than what Rafal did, killing himself for his research. So this could be what Rafal's way of thinking could also turn into, and why is it important to have both belief and doubt. It also acts as a great contrast to what happened to Nowak in episode 23. Nowak is portrayed as the villain of the story, but the truth is that he was fooled by the church, and that's why he became a villain. Maybe, if things went in a different way, Rafal, the hero of this story, could very well be the villain of the story, which recalls to this duality of the "Truth" Rafal talks at the beginning of episode 25. |
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PokefanPT said:
I belive that the Teacher "Rafal" isn't really Rafal, but the author decided to portray this teacher as Rafal for a lot of reasons. One of them I think it was just for people to care about this teacher and understand him more easily, especially after he kills Albert's father. I think it also gives us a glimpse of what Rafal would be like if he decided to give up on heliocentrism. It's also a way to show how having so much faith in your own curiosity could be dangerous, as we can see this teacher ends killing another person for it, which is not much different than what Rafal did, killing himself for his research. So this could be what Rafal's way of thinking could also turn into, and why is it important to have both belief and doubt.
It also acts as a great contrast to what happened to Nowak in episode 23. Nowak is portrayed as the villain of the story, but the truth is that he was fooled by the church, and that's why he became a villain. Maybe, if things went in a different way, Rafal, the hero of this story, could very well be the villain of the story, which recalls to this duality of the "Truth" Rafal talks at the beginning of episode 25.
Baranka02 said:
One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure
One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure
I belive that the Teacher "Rafal" isn't really Rafal, but the author decided to portray this teacher as Rafal for a lot of reasons. One of them I think it was just for people to care about this teacher and understand him more easily, especially after he kills Albert's father. I think it also gives us a glimpse of what Rafal would be like if he decided to give up on heliocentrism. It's also a way to show how having so much faith in your own curiosity could be dangerous, as we can see this teacher ends killing another person for it, which is not much different than what Rafal did, killing himself for his research. So this could be what Rafal's way of thinking could also turn into, and why is it important to have both belief and doubt.
It also acts as a great contrast to what happened to Nowak in episode 23. Nowak is portrayed as the villain of the story, but the truth is that he was fooled by the church, and that's why he became a villain. Maybe, if things went in a different way, Rafal, the hero of this story, could very well be the villain of the story, which recalls to this duality of the "Truth" Rafal talks at the beginning of episode 25.
That's pretty smart what you just said but I'm not a fan of showing/using Rafał again. The author literally could came up with Rafał relative brother who could also be astrology smart instead of confusing everybody
Baranka02 said: That's pretty smart what you just said but I'm not a fan of showing/using Rafał again. The author literally could came up with Rafał relative brother who could also be astrology smart instead of confusing everybody I completely understand that this makes the story much more confusing, and it was totally a risky move from the author (we have already seen that this author isn't afraid to take risks though). But at the same time, this twist really made you doubt the whole story, didn't it? So, in a way, this twist made us do exactly what Albert talked about, about how research needs both belief and doubt, and so far we only believed in the story, now that we're doubting it, we'll achieve our own conclusions about the anime! |
| wow wonderful until the end it was wonderful he killed the dad without any hesitation... 10/10 |
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Baranka02 said:
One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure
One question. How and why Rafał is/was alive. The last time we saw him was when they were putting his lifeless body on a stake. And now I'm confused more than ever, was it a plot hole or wasn't even in the manga. Was it even Rafał in the manga? At this point they could introduce literally anybody instead of resurrecting Rafał omfg I wanted to score it 10/10 but now I'm not even sure
I belive that the Teacher "Rafal" isn't really Rafal, but the author decided to portray this teacher as Rafal for a lot of reasons. One of them I think it was just for people to care about this teacher and understand him more easily, especially after he kills Albert's father. I think it also gives us a glimpse of what Rafal would be like if he decided to give up on heliocentrism. It's also a way to show how having so much faith in your own curiosity could be dangerous, as we can see this teacher ends killing another person for it, which is not much different than what Rafal did, killing himself for his research. So this could be what Rafal's way of thinking could also turn into, and why is it important to have both belief and doubt.
It also acts as a great contrast to what happened to Nowak in episode 23. Nowak is portrayed as the villain of the story, but the truth is that he was fooled by the church, and that's why he became a villain. Maybe, if things went in a different way, Rafal, the hero of this story, could very well be the villain of the story, which recalls to this duality of the "Truth" Rafal talks at the beginning of episode 25.
| @PokefanPT I like your observation on the contrast. And i agree that this Rafal is the authors portrayal of him had he gone more to the extreme. |
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| Yeah I wasn't a fan of this ending. How can yall lap up text on a screen as the big resolution for the show. Plus reviving Rafal was dumb and only made things confusing for no reason. Ending aside, it's a good show though. Solid 7/10 |
| This series had a great story and characters but very lackluster presentation. I get they were going for "realistic' lighting but they shouldn't have. Too many scenes are unbearably dark to the point where they could've just had characters talk over a black screen and give the same amount of visual info. And even when characters were actually lit the animation was just okay. Also these last three episodes felt really pointless and confusing. |
| Guys I think the message of the last episode was to keep thinking and searching for truth, while doubting and believing whatever we want. And that's exactly what I see in this discussion. Each one of us has our own truth. I kept thinking about the end the whole day while reading the opinion and theories of others. I think the end is made confusing aon purpose so it would put us in the MC's shoes. That was my conclusion and after that I ended up giving it a 10/10 anyway. |
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@Kondou-san The last two episodes showcase alternate timeline. So we can't confidently say Badeni and Ozci were burned at the stake in this alternate universe as well.
| @ZXEAN Why do some people interpret the show with alternate timeline ?? I mean the first episode literary start on the priest speech with Albert, in a fictional Kingdom of P and end on "Orb: On the Movements of the Earth chapter 1" in a story about writting a book. + The whole last episode spent their time to do parallels between the backstory of Albert and every character we met in his allegedly book "Orb". For example Rafal is just Rafal, Ockzy & Badeni are literally his dad "doubt everything, do something useful and keep everything you discover for yourself" and finally Albert doing literary the same pose as Shcmidt, praise the Sun and so on. |
| It was nice ending, but not very exciting. Those last 2 episodes went for a twist, but not a really exciting twist. Kinda bogged down the entire series, but not enough to make me disappointed overall. |
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| VERY thought-provoking. |
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