| She doesn't belong in the show, she is useless, any fan who saw the original NGE knows how horrible her character is. She's just an ecchi fanservice device for newer audiences, she can't compare with characters like Asuka or Misato or Shinji. Anno added her in so that fans could fap to her. Anyways, what I am trying to say is that characters like her should be treated like that, just an cute extra to keep us entertained because hot girls are hot. Do you know any characters like her? do you agree that we shouldn't even take them seriously and just ogle at them like we do when we see a random hot person in real life? How shamelessly they dress her in a schoolgirl when she isn't even attending one, they give her glasses because glasses girls are cute and they constantly apply gainaxing when she's in frame. No real NGE fan should have her in fav list. And if you still don't believe me, ask yourself: "What do I know about Mari except for her sexy design and lesbian tendencies towards Asuka?" |
CatalanoMar 16, 2022 6:36 AM
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| Are you talking about that walking filler in rebuild? |
Felix-sanMar 16, 2022 6:46 AM
The battle is over.  Show respect for the fallen who fought so bravely. |
Ronninn said: Aight, I'll put Mari in my favorites. I shoul do that too honestly. Pure fan-service perfection. Not that Asuka was fanserviced either in the rebuild. |
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| agree, I still like her ha she was meant for one thing and she execute perfectly. I think she's a pretty good character, she's an odd ball for the story. |
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| Mary is no different from Evangelion's other girls. |
LucifrostMar 17, 2022 11:44 AM
| その目だれの目？ |
| Yes I agree and the saddest thing is she's not even as hot as Asuka, they should've made more ecchi scenes with her instead. |
Dragevard said: What we do know is that Mari won the shipping war and every NGE fan are salty about it :3 What? Excuse me sir but is this a 3+1 spoiler? Anyway, Rebuilds = what if NGE was a stupid ass childish show. |
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| Mari would be a good character for a fun ecchi anime, not for an anime that is excellent only when it gets psychological (and the OG is pretty damn good at that). But every character was dumbed down in the Rebuilds, it's not just her fault. |
Nirinbo said: Mari would be a good character for a fun ecchi anime, not for an anime that is excellent only when it gets psychological (and the OG is pretty damn good at that). But every character was dumbed down in the Rebuilds, it's not just her fault. I think you get a good idea of what the Rebuilds will be about when watching the first one anyway. Everything they threw away was important character development, and what did we get instead? 15 mins of shots of trucks pulling cables for that fight against Ramiel. Every change in the story seems to have been made by a 12yo director... or a trollish one. Oh yay they replaced the rifle by a ugly ass 3d minigun, so cool... I'm convinced Anno was either forced to do that crap, or intentionally tried to murder his own acclaimed child for some obscure reason... Or he just needed to pay his taxes. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Anime was a mistake, said Hideaki Anno. But I prefer her and Katsuragi. |
SgtBateManMar 16, 2022 7:54 AM
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp!  |
| I read somewhere that she's supposed to be an analogy(?) for Anno's wife. Someone who crashed into his life and changed it completely; the same way that Mari just drops in on the story out of nowhere in the 2nd Rebuild movie and things just inexplicably start taking a massive shift, despite her coming across as a character that belongs in a completely different (read: not depressing) mecha anime. Given the final scene of 3.0+1.0, I think that interpretation of her character makes sense. |
OrororurandoMar 16, 2022 7:57 AM
Deathko said: Nirinbo said: Mari would be a good character for a fun ecchi anime, not for an anime that is excellent only when it gets psychological (and the OG is pretty damn good at that). But every character was dumbed down in the Rebuilds, it's not just her fault. I think you get a good idea of what the Rebuilds will be about when watching the first one anyway. Everything they threw away was important character development, and what did we get instead? 15 mins of shots of trucks pulling cables for that fight against Ramiel. Every change in the story seems to have been made by a 12yo director... or a trollish one. Oh yay they replaced the rifle by a ugly ass 3d minigun, so cool... I'm convinced Anno was either forced to do that crap, or intentionally tried to murder his own acclaimed child for some obscure reason... Or he just needed to pay his taxes. Anno not being depressed anymore is the n°1 reason, in my opinion. Evangelion went from attacking otakus to accommodating them. |
| The rebuild movies reduced all the girls into generic waifus who randomly fall in love with Shinji at some point, I'm not sure why people complain about Mari specifically. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| As eccentric as Mari seems according to the Commiefornian Screwtube, I still want to watch the later EVA movies. The footage of Mari that I've seen before easily reminded me of Moeka Kiryu's social awkwardness and nuttiness. Again, I'll watch Rebuild movies anyway, but for kitchen duty and I repeat, for Maaya Sakamoto's cute little Japanese voice. |
| any character from the rebuilds shouldn't be treated as such... that's the whole point of the series lol - people who treat them like normal (and some good) characters missed the point of eva... |
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| any character from the rebuilds shouldn't be treated as such... that's the whole point of the series lol - people who treat them like normal (and some good) characters missed the point of eva... |
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| any character from the rebuilds shouldn't be treated as such... that's the whole point of the series lol - people who treat them like normal (and some good) characters missed the point of eva... |
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| I still liked her more than Asuka even tho I don’t like the rebuild series |
| I agree, I don't do that, that's why I read her doujins. I read somewhere that she's the self insert of Anno's wife and that's why she's such a Mary Sue, obviously I don't know if that's true. |
| I wonder who the hell gives a shit about the Rebuilds. Mari was made to sell figures and the Rebuilds were made to milk money from Evangelion's name, why one can exist but the other can't? |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Never touched Evangelion in my life but she's hot |
| Stuff in the streets, Stuff with drip in the sheets |
Catalano said: She's just an ecchi fanservice device for newer audiences added her in so that fans could fap to her. just an cute extra to keep us entertained because hot girls are hot. Do you know any characters like her? girls are cute and they constantly apply gainaxing when she's in frame. ask yourself: "What do I know about Mari except for her sexy design and lesbian tendencies towards Asuka?" I feel like this with almost every female character in an ecchi series, which is why I don't really watch ecchi. If I want to see seductive characters I go to doujins, they don't just tease there. Catalano said: do you agree that we shouldn't even take them seriously and just ogle at them like we do when we see a random hot person in real life? [/b] I don't know what ogle means but acting like that towards real people at least in a not private place sounds a bit creepy, specially on the streets. Anyways, no, neither the characters nor the shows should be really taken seriously, but sometimes shows like High School DxD or Queen's Blade try to pass as romance or drama and take themselves kinda seriously, that's where I draw the line and begin seeing them as shit. Looking up the uhm materials somewhere else, now that's a different thing. |
| I read somewhere that Mari is an insert of the creator's wife. He put his wife into the series as a sign of gratitude or something. If true, which I'm unsure about, I suppose I somewhat get the sentiment but it also seems out of place. Sure it's his creation and he can do w/e he wants with it without having to appeal to the audience's wishes. I'd just prefer he didn't. |
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| None of the characters from the rebuilds should be taken seriously |
| I was excited when Mari showed up because I think it's cool that the rebuild movies aren't an exact retelling. But she didn't do much. The end train scene would have been better with Asuka. Finally ship them after 25 years of awkwardness and frustration. |
| very look a like Mari looks like his wife same energy too   |
| Why does the existence of eye candy characters offend OP so much? |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
Stygian_Prisoner said: I read the same somewhere and yes, the final scene does seem to confirm it.I read somewhere that she's supposed to be an analogy(?) for Anno's wife. Someone who crashed into his life and changed it completely; the same way that Mari just drops in on the story out of nowhere in the 2nd Rebuild movie and things just inexplicably start taking a massive shift, despite her coming across as a character that belongs in a completely different (read: not depressing) mecha anime. Given the final scene of 3.0+1.0, I think that interpretation of her character makes sense. On an unrelated note, I don't understand why one must feel the need to dictate others' tastes by stating "this is good" or "this is bad, you shouldn't like this", especially for something as personal and subjective as Eva. I like the show more than the Rebuild movies too, but they serve their purpose. Yes, Mari is nowhere near as developed as the other characters, but again, the hate is uncalled for. Just live and let live. |
Catalano said: She doesn't belong in the show, she is useless, any fan who saw the original NGE knows how horrible her character is. I didn't even know she was in the original, I could've sworn that I never saw her before. Hence I don't know how horrible her character is. I have no opinion. Tho tbh the only good character in NGE is Shinji anyway :> |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Alcoholicide said: Catalano said: She doesn't belong in the show, she is useless, any fan who saw the original NGE knows how horrible her character is. I didn't even know she was in the original, I could've sworn that I never saw her before. Hence I don't know how horrible her character is. I have no opinion. Tho tbh the only good character in NGE is Shinji anyway :> no no, I wrote that badly. I was trying to express that all fans who saw the original NGE and rebuilds would understand that mari is badly written compared to asuka, misato etc mari appears in the manga though, in the special chapter from the final volume, she is yui's colleague |
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Nirinbo said: Deathko said: I think you get a good idea of what the Rebuilds will be about when watching the first one anyway. Everything they threw away was important character development, and what did we get instead? 15 mins of shots of trucks pulling cables for that fight against Ramiel. Every change in the story seems to have been made by a 12yo director... or a trollish one. Oh yay they replaced the rifle by a ugly ass 3d minigun, so cool... I'm convinced Anno was either forced to do that crap, or intentionally tried to murder his own acclaimed child for some obscure reason... Or he just needed to pay his taxes. Anno not being depressed anymore is the n°1 reason, in my opinion. Evangelion went from attacking otakus to accommodating them. Anno is still mocking them tho, albeit in a satirical yet more direct way than the original NGE did. The thought about Anno intentionally murdering his own series just so that the weebs can move on and do something productive instead, lines up perfectly with his original goal |
elnino02 said: On an unrelated note, I don't understand why one must feel the need to dictate others' tastes by stating "this is good" or "this is bad, you shouldn't like this", especially for something as personal and subjective as Eva. I like the show more than the Rebuild movies too, but they serve their purpose. Yes, Mari is nowhere near as developed as the other characters, but again, the hate is uncalled for. Just live and let live. Agreed. A lot of NGE fans tend to be obnoxiously gatekeep-y about the Rebuilds, like "you're not a real Eva fan if you like them!" I'm like "Man, shut up. I'm allowed to love both, even if it's in different ways from each other." I mean, most of the characters already got their development in the original series. We know what they're all about; why would I wanna see them go through the exact same internal process again, but rushed through the limited film runtime? I can maintain my deep respect and admiration for the original story while still enjoying the Rebuilds, if only for their higher entertainment value and spectacular animation. |
OrororurandoMar 16, 2022 11:13 AM
Theo1899 said: Why does the existence of eye candy characters offend OP so much? It doesn't really. He's a fan of 02. Stygian_Prisoner said: A lot of NGE fans tend to be obnoxiously gatekeep-y about the Rebuilds, like "you're not a real Eva fan if you like them!" You've done some gatekeeping too. I saw you say that only fans of the TV anime should watch the rebuilds. I watched and enjoyed the movies in spite of that. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Stygian_Prisoner said: I couldn't have put it better myself. One other thing I'd like to add is that NGE and EoE feel a lot more powerful and raw because Anno made them while he was almost cripplingly depressed, the desperate plea for help that seeped through the show was unmistakable. On the other hand, the Rebuild movies felt like watching a man who'd finally found closure and moved past his trauma look back and recount his tale of the dark days spent in a living nightmare - of course the movies aren't as intense or poignant, but they have that weird sense of nostalgia and acceptance. Disliking them is fine, but dissing them unreservedly is almost like invalidating the creator's growth and evolution, it's quite disrespectful imo.elnino02 said: On an unrelated note, I don't understand why one must feel the need to dictate others' tastes by stating "this is good" or "this is bad, you shouldn't like this", especially for something as personal and subjective as Eva. I like the show more than the Rebuild movies too, but they serve their purpose. Yes, Mari is nowhere near as developed as the other characters, but again, the hate is uncalled for. Just live and let live. Agreed. A lot of NGE fans tend to be obnoxiously gatekeep-y about the Rebuilds, like "you're not a real Eva fan if you like them!" I'm like "Man, shut up. I'm allowed to love both, even if it's in different ways from each other." I mean, most of the characters already got their development in the original series. We know what they're all about; why would I wanna see them go through the exact same internal process again, but rushed through the limited film runtime? I can maintain my deep respect and admiration for the original story while still enjoying the Rebuilds, if only for their higher entertainment value and spectacular animation. |
Catalano said: Alcoholicide said: I didn't even know she was in the original, I could've sworn that I never saw her before. Hence I don't know how horrible her character is. I have no opinion. Tho tbh the only good character in NGE is Shinji anyway :> no no, I wrote that badly. I was trying to express that all fans who saw the original NGE and rebuilds would understand that mari is badly written compared to asuka, misato etc mari appears in the manga though, in the special chapter from the final volume, she is yui's colleague I hated the manga and don't think I ever finished it so I wouldn't know her from there either if she only pops up in the final chapter. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| That last gif you showed is reason enough for me to like her being added in..... I'm not going to sit here and deny anything you said, but I still like her way more than the girls. |
Lucifrost said: You've done some gatekeeping too. I saw you say that only fans of the TV anime should watch the rebuilds. I watched and enjoyed the movies in spite of that. You're twisting my words (and coming off as oddly stalkerish in the process, might i add). In that thread, I only made an honest suggestion that they should probably drop the original series and just leave the franchise at that if they're not into it since the Rebuilds, being quasi-sequels, get very meta about several aspects and events of the original later on (especially 3+1) and would most likely only end up confusing those coming into them without the proper context beforehand. I never said the words "only NGE fans should watch the Rebuilds", those are explicitly your words alone. I literally just gave a recommendation not to watch the Rebuilds without watching the original series first, regardless of whether one is a fan of the latter or not. Of course, that's just my personal view and opinion on the matter. Ultimately, however others choose to tackle the franchise doesn't affect my life in the slightest. If you just so happened to skip NGE and still enjoyed the Rebuilds on their own, then more power to ya. Your opinion is as valid as my own... just don't put your fucking words in my mouth. |
OrororurandoMar 16, 2022 12:14 PM
Stygian_Prisoner said: I never said the words "only NGE fans should watch the Rebuilds", those are explicitly your words alone. That is true, but that is what I understood your words to mean. Though you make a good point about the meta narrative, I don't believe it's enough reason to sit through 26 episodes one doesn't enjoy. I never expected the rebuilds to be so much better, and it makes me sad to think that those who dropped the franchise beforehand are missing out. |
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Satantron said: Nirinbo said: Anno not being depressed anymore is the n°1 reason, in my opinion. Evangelion went from attacking otakus to accommodating them. Anno is still mocking them tho, albeit in a satirical yet more direct way than the original NGE did. The thought about Anno intentionally murdering his own series just so that the weebs can move on and do something productive instead, lines up perfectly with his original goal It might make sense, but I think Anno genuinely meant to use Shinji and Mari as self-inserts for himself and his wife, with no other ill intentions such as destroying his own creation. |
Catalano said: so you're telling me that an entire fanbase is masturbaring to an idealized version of anno's wife? whom he put her intentionally in the movies. perfection ye high chance Mari is the idealized version of his wife |
| If Mari has a million fans I am one of them. If Mari has ten fans I am one of them. If Mari has no fans, that means I am no more on the earth. If the World is against Mari, I am against the World. I love Mari till my last breath, my wiener belongs to her. |
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