Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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Zefyris said: The stupidity and lack of shame of the main character went through the roof in that episode. Seriously, first she said to him "shinjisasete" and he doesn't listen at all. He claims to be doing things for her, yet he breaks promise like nothing and on top of this when she sent him a signal that she's trying to believe in him but that for that he needs for once to respect his promise, he doesn't even catch the signal at all. Then he enters the main hall as the servant of a rival candidate of her, and on top of this it's a rival candidate who she saw with him before. Nope, everything is fine, nothing could go wrong, very easy to trust him after that. :rolleyes: Then he starts a fuss in the middle of the ceremony. Apparently peoples over there are super friendly and leaves him doing that fuss. He then proclaims himself knight. In front of officials, in front of many other knights. Just with that his head should have rolled, but they're very nice and just talk to him. Okay, what does he do? Just become even uglier and put to shame the one he's supposed to "defend". Then asked for a duel, he doesn't even have the decency to admit that he has no chance to win and go for a beating in public. And then use a magic he promised to her not to use. And still fail miserably. Then it's still not finished! He push all his ugly moves to her by saying it was for her. Yeah right, so you humiliated her for her own sake I guess. Totaly not because of your own jealousy and stupidity. And wow. That's not finished. WHen she rejects this logically as not being for her sake, he goes ballistic and say that. Apparently on top of this he still hasn't learned that since he cannot give explanation on his ability, he must avoid situation where explanation about it are needed to get out of a discussion and once again just attract suspicion and disappointment from others due to it. So much failure it's incredible. I mean would anyone fail so much in a row? Is that even remotely humanly possible without having the IQ of a unicellular organism? BEar in mind, that guy died like 9 times already and almost died several times on top of this, he should have an idea of how weak and prone to failure he is, yet he didn't become more conscious about it, still unable to control his own ego, jealousy, no humility whatsoever. You would think that dying AND failing several times violently would put someone into place a little, but apparently no. And then he has that power allowing it to reset and restart like nothing happened so he will not even have to face the consequences of his failures, probably. How convenient... Well said! This is exactly what I needed to release my pent-up emotions. Thank you! However, I can relate to Subaru because I once lost my shit in front of a girl who rebuffed me (she only ever saw me as a close friend). It was embarrassing in hindsight, and I feel bad for Emilia. |
Theodoric_99Apr 9, 2018 10:41 AM
| Wow, Subaru sure is an asshole... I really disliked him in this episode. He often is a little bit of an idiot but this time he just acted so stupidly, embarrassed him and everyone else and he thinks he is so super important and everyone needs him. What he said at the end, that everything just went good because of him, that was pretty arrogant. And I think Emilia is right, he really does all this just for himself, even though he thinks it's for her. But it's definitely not. Actually he should care more for her and not always just for him. I mean he gives her promises and breaks them because he feels like doing it anyway just because he wants to. Such an idiot, I really hope his character will improve a lot until the end... Zefyris said: The stupidity and lack of shame of the main character went through the roof in that episode. Seriously, first she said to him "shinjisasete" and he doesn't listen at all. He claims to be doing things for her, yet he breaks promise like nothing and on top of this when she sent him a signal that she's trying to believe in him but that for that he needs for once to respect his promise, he doesn't even catch the signal at all. Then he enters the main hall as the servant of a rival candidate of her, and on top of this it's a rival candidate who she saw with him before. Nope, everything is fine, nothing could go wrong, very easy to trust him after that. :rolleyes: Then he starts a fuss in the middle of the ceremony. Apparently peoples over there are super friendly and leaves him doing that fuss. He then proclaims himself knight. In front of officials, in front of many other knights. Just with that his head should have rolled, but they're very nice and just talk to him. Okay, what does he do? Just become even uglier and put to shame the one he's supposed to "defend". Then asked for a duel, he doesn't even have the decency to admit that he has no chance to win and go for a beating in public. And then use a magic he promised to her not to use. And still fail miserably. Then it's still not finished! He push all his ugly moves to her by saying it was for her. Yeah right, so you humiliated her for her own sake I guess. Totaly not because of your own jealousy and stupidity. And wow. That's not finished. WHen she rejects this logically as not being for her sake, he goes ballistic and say that. Apparently on top of this he still hasn't learned that since he cannot give explanation on his ability, he must avoid situation where explanation about it are needed to get out of a discussion and once again just attract suspicion and disappointment from others due to it. So much failure it's incredible. I mean would anyone fail so much in a row? Is that even remotely humanly possible without having the IQ of a unicellular organism? BEar in mind, that guy died like 9 times already and almost died several times on top of this, he should have an idea of how weak and prone to failure he is, yet he didn't become more conscious about it, still unable to control his own ego, jealousy, no humility whatsoever. You would think that dying AND failing several times violently would put someone into place a little, but apparently no. And then he has that power allowing it to reset and restart like nothing happened so he will not even have to face the consequences of his failures, probably. How convenient... Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking. Zip_Zip said: Might drop this decent anime just because of his shitty personality..he acts immature, cringy, smug and his genki personality is starting to annoy me. I also never really liked him and so I thought of dropping this anime because of his behavior and personality, too. Until now it was bearable but that was too much. However, I still like this show because of some other characters and the princess story so I think it would be a shame if I had to drop it just because of some shitty main character. I guess I'll watch some episodes and if he doesn't improve and I think it's just not tolerable any more then I might just drop it. |
-Jiyuu-Aug 15, 2018 6:49 AM
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| It's meant to be painful to watch. His chinks in his armour/personailty are being exposed. |
AxBattler said: Yes, he will get better. He will come to terms with the fact that he can't do anything by himself. After that he will learn how to use what he knows from previous iterations to convince other to help him. But you are yet to see his lowest point.Please tell me he gets better. I can put up with his chuuni delusions, and prior to the first 10 minutes of an episode I was quite certain I would finish the season but now.. well, I think I have said enough about how frustrated I am with him. I am not sure if the author is intentionally making him as pathetic as possible in every single way so that he has the maximum amount of room to grow later on, or if the viewer was actually supposed to be impressed by how far is willing to go to "defend the honour" (but mostly making things worse) of the girl he is trying to impress, while disregarding her own wishes again and again. AxBattler said: If I remember correctly LNs are near the end of arc 4.Also, do you know how many arcs the LN is at now? |
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AxBattler said: I wouldn't say it's a complete U-turn. Maybe in case of Subaru and his character, but the rest is still the same.Oh wow, so that mean the LN is not even a whole arc ahead of the show (granted you said that the 4th arc is as long as the first three combined, but I can't imagine a full U-turn in just an arc). AxBattler said: I agree that he deserved all the "bad" things that happened to him in this episode. But this will be the first step for him to realize that he can't do anything by himself in this world. Well, just finished the episode. I am glad it he took a beating and there was no asspull where he magically manage to win or get a consolation hit out of it. Also glad that Emilia gave him a good telling. She did it as kindly as could be done, with far more kindness than Subaru deserve, but I am just glad that she did it in the first place. And to think that he had the audacity to fire back overstate his importance and contribution. Needless to say, my sympathy towards him is zero or less. AxBattler said: Oh yeah, I remember the heated discussion in this thread when the episode aired :DAnother thing. Out of curiosity (because I wanted to know if cultural differences affecting the perception of a character), I googled the title of the anime and Subaru in Japanese, and one of the auto-suggest was "<Title of anime> Subaru annoying". And when I searched for that, there was at least one link that referred to this episode. Seems like his attitude in this episode really have rubbed a fair amount of people the wrong way. I am dreading to think how much worse it will get from here on out. I don't think it will get much worse. For me the beating and then the quarrel with Emilia was his lowest point. AxBattler said: And don't forget Roswaal and his agenda. He wants to kill the Dragon.Lastly, looking at the candidates to the crown, the future of the country is pretty screwed. Priscilla: Looks like she would be a tyrant to make decisions to benefit herself. Karsten: Okay I admit she doesn't seem too bad. Though it would probably mean getting into the dragon's bad side. Hoshin: Looks more suitable to be head of the ministry of trade than ruler of a country. Emilia: She'd be fair, but probably won't be respected for being too soft and/or looking like the witch. Felt: Having a head of state in favour of anarchy? That'll work. |
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AxBattler said: Episode 18 is the turning point for him.mozgow said: I agree that he deserved all the "bad" things that happened to him in this episode. But this will be the first step for him to realize that he can't do anything by himself in this world. I am now up to episode 17, and it looks like he doesn't realise that people will treat him in kind, and right now, his present attitude is alianating any potential ally. AxBattler said: That's a real mystery. But due to some future events we may never learn what was the reason.mozgow said: And don't forget Roswaal and his agenda. He wants to kill the Dragon. Oh yeah I haven't forgoten that. But since he isn't exactly a candidate for the throne, I was thinking that he would act via Emilia or something. I do note that his interest could potentially overlap with Crusch's in the sense that Crusch's intention may not go well with the dragon anyway. I am curious as to why Crusch want to distance the nation from the dragon though. It is not like the dragon has has been hostile from what is known so far, and it also played a role in sealing the witch if I remember right. A few episodes later, I feel that Crusch is a pretty sensible, so her vow must carry some good reason. |
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MABfan11 said: Momonga wouldn't be much more effective than Subaru if he was transported to the Re:Zero world, though he would have probably tried to avoid trouble and not gone to the loot house You've quoted quite the old message here ahah. I personally think Momonga wouldn't have been a good person in the first place because of his setting and feeling inhibitor. Even if say, he were to be in Subaru's exact situation, he would probably have repaid Emillia in any way and then would have left, then done his evil things. She'd probably remind him of Touch Me that one "justice" knight from his guild. In the end, he'd probably destroy the cult and create his own country or something. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
MABfan11 said: Tony_SansNom said: You've quoted quite the old message here ahah. I personally think Momonga wouldn't have been a good person in the first place because of his setting and feeling inhibitor. Even if say, he were to be in Subaru's exact situation, he would probably have repaid Emillia in any way and then would have left, then done his evil things. She'd probably remind him of Touch Me that one "justice" knight from his guild. In the end, he'd probably destroy the cult and create his own country or something. he wouldn't be Ainz, so he would be just as powerless and inexperienced as Subaru was. and with the Witch Cult, White Whale and other dangers in the Re:Zero world Ah you mean the actual human. Yes, that would be much harder then. |
| "Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences." |
NoNameNoName000 said:  Man if more of him comes out on the anime it would be a 10 for me *-* but sadly Subaru's the mc ughhh what was the author thinking when he decided to make his character -.- Subaru is meant to be the anti-Kirito, he's weak, reckless, hotheaded, almost useless and has no special ability that let's him win easily Reinhard is meant to be the stereotypical light novel protagonist and is a literal walking deus ex machina (check out how many blessings he has) |
| F emilia and anybody who likes her go to hell you don't deserve to live |
| Gnyo ho! |
LOFI_J said: F emilia and anybody who likes her go to hell you don't deserve to live I'd F emilia any day ;) |
| This is one of the most cringe worthy anime episodes of all time |
| OK, what the actual fuck was Subaru thinking?! He is way too impulsive for his own good. He literally just made a mockery of himself, and embarrassed Emilia. He needs to take several seats, and step back for a moment, because how he acts is really not cute. |
Karma_Pphire said: He was not thinking. Or more precisely, he was not thinking about the consequences of his actions. He still thinks (at this point in the story) that he is the hero and that this new world revolves around him. He will learn (the hard way) that he is nobody in this world.OK, what the actual fuck was Subaru thinking?! |
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mozgow said: Karma_Pphire said: He was not thinking. Or more precisely, he was not thinking about the consequences of his actions. He still thinks (at this point in the story) that he is the hero and that this new world revolves around him. He will learn (the hard way) that he is nobody in this world.OK, what the actual fuck was Subaru thinking?! I was enjoying the series was so far, but this episode was so hard to watch, solely because of how much of an idiot Subaru was, like oh my god he needs to fucking calm down, like Jesus christ. |
| It's a shame that this le creature of MC keeps ruining this potentially great story. It could have been literally any other character archetype, but noooo, they just have to go with a useless, loud, incoherent NEET. |
| if you guys just love the OP MC, then drop this series because Subaru will never be OP. this is like 1/20 of the story, so he is still stupid, useless but he will change. |
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| That was hard to watch. I feel like Subaru and Emilia are both in the wrong. Subaru made a promise to Emilia, and broke it without thinking to go dick around and cause problems. However, Emilia has a sudden, dramatic attitude shift to 'lol fuck you Subaru I never wanna see you again', and her list of things he's done wrong include "not treating me the same way you treat everyone else." No shit he doesn't treat you like everyone else; he's in love with you. He doesn't do the crazy shit he does selfishly, he does it for her. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Shittiest MC since NGE |
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| Damn, that last scene was way too relatable. |
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| Damn, that last scene was way too relatable. |
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| that was so hard to watch that it was almost cringeworthy. both emilia and subaru are wrong in this, but there isn't any other way it can go i feel. he can't tell her anything and without the explanation that he's been dying in a cycle over and over, she can't understand anything about him. i like subaru as an overall character and i can relate to his flaws and all, but he doesn't think before he acts in crucial times. |
| -Wow that episode was an absolute clusterfuck, but clearly the story wanted to kick Subaru's ass physically and mentally and illustrate how dumb, arrogant, foolish, and reckless he is, so in that regard it worked out splendidly despite being difficult and cringeworthy to watch. There are characters in other shows who've done similar things with the outcome being illogically positive, so it was refreshing to see this backfire on him. -You have sullied our name, therefore I challenge you to mutual combat! Lololol. While Subaru's antics were the story being aware, I'm not sure if the author intended for the incident with Julius and the mock battle to illustrate how petty and egotistical the knights really are despite their title, or if it was unironic and contrived as a reason for us to see Subaru get a beating. -How horrible for Emilia to have been embarrassed in such a manner. I don't blame her for wanting to dump the baggage that has been more of a burden than usefulness and who comes off as mentally unstable, however how many close allies does she even have? To her this guy might be crazy, but ultimately he means well and is devoted to her. Perhaps if an incident on a similar scale occurs again then it'd be wise to discard him, but in the meantime she needs to retain the small number of people who are confirmed loyal to her... That being said, she's justified in feeling how she does, given how she doesn't know what Subaru has been through and why he's acting so crazy. He has to learn to understand how he comes off to others, and that he even though from his own perspective his actions may be understandable, to others they just aren't. -Out of all five candidates, why is Emilia the only one portrayed positively? It reduces the seriousness of that plotline. -Hmm... Felt's desire to tear down the establishment may get her into even more trouble, given how the nobles have already expressed contempt for her due to her statusr. Assassination attempts incoming? |
ZeroDragonMay 5, 2019 4:36 PM
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| lol at the ending. Emilia's right, the way Subaru acts around her is way too creepy. |
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| i hope this anime will stay far away from politics, worst episode so far ! |
| Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone. |
| Wow... Subaru went full retard this episode. Basically every decision of him was poorly made and Emilia has every right to be mad at him. And instead of just trying to set everything straight, he's an even bigger asshole in the end of the episode to her. |
| That escalated quickly and in a way I haven't thought of. In a lot of situations you just see that Subaru is to young to understand a certain situation and don't overreact to it. I mean sure the things they said about Emilia were pretty bad but most of what Subaru answered to it + the super cringy conversation with Juluis was to much. Roswaals reaction to this was definitely suspicious, as if this came pretty handy for him. Roms appearance was surprising and Felt's speech afterwards absolute crazy. I mean she just said she wants to kill all the nobles and knights because she hates them lol. From a passive point of view it was so stupid of Subaru to agree to the fight with Julius. Even with not knowing how strong Julius is, Subaru is just to weak. He can't use magic and against a trained knight? Really? He can be glad Emilia was there to stop it. What can I say about the conversation at the end? Painful to watch but Subaru deserved it. Most of the time he acts so over the top, no wonder Emilia can't understand it. She has no memory about the things that happened in the loops before. And Subaru can't tell her about it because of what's stopping it inside of him. I have no clue what will happen next. Summarizing the whole situation it looks bad, very bad. |
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| That was Awkward of Subaru. The show is down hill now :( |
| Now that is what I call a can of whoop-ass and I feel sorry for my boy Subaru dam |
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| I can't get over that this episode even happened. Sure, there were nitpicky contrivances & conveniences throughout this anime so far, but it never truly affected much until now. None of it even compares to this arc contriving itself to shreds just 2 episodes in. It threw nearly all of the plot developments thus far out the window for the sake of forcing Subaru into a fall from grace so sudden it has to destroy his character to do so, because unless he's suffered severe brain damage (which is never so much as implied) even he would not have forgotten the lessons his near-death experiences (and those of his "loved ones"!) taught him. "Don't worry Rem, I believe I'm a dense idiot who barely manages to do anything of worth but it's okay because we all can lean on each other and find meaning in doing so. Now excuse me while I refuse to let Emilia do anything meaningful by attempting to swing a major political meeting in her favor and duel an imperial knight who dared to display basic knightly formalities to MY EMILIA all by myself even though I promised her I'd rest and get my magic gate injury checked out on her dime!" Plus it's all made so much worse when other established characters also make thoughtless decisions themselves, as well as the slew of numbingly barren new characters stepping in and doing the same. These candidates are cruel jokes. Emilia is naïve beyond hope if she thinks a communist monarchy (North Korea anyone?) is going to improve things, much less one under her stuttering, cloistered direction, NEVER MIND that Roswaal wants to use his influence in that scenario to attempt to kill what is effectively Lugunica's god. Meanwhile the lavender loli only wants to enrich herself, the new blonde bitch has her head too far up her ass to even avoid stalling the meeting through her own impatience, and Felt suddenly wants to obliterate the whole nation to establish an anarchy. Crusch Karsten is the only candidate whose goal isn't either fundamentally backwards or completely and solely self-serving ~ to tell this medieval society that the government's official position is that the god of their religion & folklore of the past few thousand years needs to shove off and leave them be. Yeah, good luck with that. Meanwhile not even the so-called wise men of the council don't so much as whisper amongst themselves about how screwed they are. It's way too much to be intentional, and this ending up as a "twist" would be insulting. These past couple of episodes (especially this one) were so rotten and happened so suddenly after an episode I found commendable that they've made me experience a horrid inversion of an anime void where what I just experienced was so profoundly awful that I've been unable to do anything but think about it because it has clogged my mind and blocked out all else. I've never had this happen to me before and I don't know what to do with myself or this anime in the slightest, and it's keeping me from sleeping on it as well. |
| Watching this episode was really a painful experience, the cringe levels went through the roof and above. At this point this anime is lost for me for i am unable to further emphasize with the protagonist after he manifested such arrogant and selfish behaviour. |
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| Just rewatched the new directed version of this episode. I'm so glad I was in the storm created by the 3rd arc of this show back at that time. What a good memory (of people arguing). |
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| Emilia's rejection and Subaru's greediness scene felt just as impactful as the first time I watched it. Episode 15 is next week. Time to relive it again. |
| Baka Subaru, but I honestly feel him ;_; |
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